1 00:00:04,970 --> 00:00:03,379 hello and welcome to the SSC meeting a 2 00:00:06,860 --> 00:00:04,980 secretary I'd like to welcome you I know 3 00:00:08,450 --> 00:00:06,870 it's the last day right now but this is 4 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:08,460 I guess one of the first opportunities 5 00:00:12,709 --> 00:00:10,710 I've had to to welcome you I hope you're 6 00:00:13,999 --> 00:00:12,719 enjoying yourself so far what we're 7 00:00:16,250 --> 00:00:14,009 going to do is going to diverge a little 8 00:00:18,290 --> 00:00:16,260 bit why because I'm an entomologist and 9 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:18,300 I play with bugs so we're going to talk 10 00:00:22,910 --> 00:00:20,910 about protein semiconductors in relation 11 00:00:24,189 --> 00:00:22,920 to insect olfaction now a number of you 12 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:24,199 probably are more familiar with 13 00:00:28,189 --> 00:00:26,490 semiconductors then you would be insect 14 00:00:30,019 --> 00:00:28,199 olfaction for that reason I'm gonna go 15 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:30,029 spend a little more time talking about 16 00:00:33,650 --> 00:00:31,830 insect olfaction so that you understand 17 00:00:35,150 --> 00:00:33,660 where I'm coming from and why I'm going 18 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:35,160 to go in the direction of the 19 00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:36,660 semiconductors at the end of the talk 20 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:39,360 first how do insects smell I think 21 00:00:42,319 --> 00:00:40,950 everyone knows I hope everyone knows 22 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:42,329 that they all smell with their antennae 23 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:44,850 they smell with their antennae and this 24 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:46,739 is no more obvious in some of the large 25 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:48,690 moths largest moth of the world right 26 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:52,140 here 11 inch wingspan atticus Atlas and 27 00:00:55,939 --> 00:00:54,420 they take a look at the antenna here 28 00:00:58,549 --> 00:00:55,949 especially on the Saturn I it's because 29 00:01:00,590 --> 00:00:58,559 they're so big but it's not really the 30 00:01:03,049 --> 00:01:00,600 antenna itself it's usually the sencilla 31 00:01:05,179 --> 00:01:03,059 so if you get a close-up of the sencilla 32 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:05,189 you can see on this scanning electron 33 00:01:07,789 --> 00:01:06,510 micrograph that they have these long 34 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:07,799 tricloid sencilla 35 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:10,320 which we know are the detectors and 36 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:12,270 these are the actual detectors of the 37 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:14,070 molecules that they are smelling such as 38 00:01:18,039 --> 00:01:16,770 the pheromone or the plan odorants now 39 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:18,049 if I go ahead and make a cross-section 40 00:01:24,770 --> 00:01:22,080 now of this you can see that the 41 00:01:26,870 --> 00:01:24,780 sencilla is does have some tiny pores in 42 00:01:28,249 --> 00:01:26,880 the side right there they also have some 43 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:28,259 dendrites emanating from these cells 44 00:01:31,819 --> 00:01:30,030 down here try could get into our image 45 00:01:34,569 --> 00:01:31,829 and cell the dendrites are sent up 46 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:34,579 they're bathed in a saline solution and 47 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:37,740 this is the basic setup for most types 48 00:01:43,130 --> 00:01:41,040 of insect sencilla this is where i'm an 49 00:01:44,899 --> 00:01:43,140 agreement with them and we do not differ 50 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:44,909 at all things start to get a little 51 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:46,320 hairy right now let me tell you what the 52 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:47,700 current theory is right now so that 53 00:01:52,429 --> 00:01:49,530 you're up to date we have the pheromones 54 00:01:54,410 --> 00:01:52,439 out here the pheromone is in blue the 55 00:01:56,569 --> 00:01:54,420 pheromone diffuses through the air it 56 00:01:58,789 --> 00:01:56,579 lands on the sense illa this is the 57 00:02:00,530 --> 00:01:58,799 sencilla right here the outside there is 58 00:02:02,569 --> 00:02:00,540 a very very thin layer of wax they 59 00:02:04,459 --> 00:02:02,579 usually imbed in the wax and when they 60 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:04,469 embed in the wax they diffuse through 61 00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:06,780 the wax make their way to some tiny 62 00:02:11,180 --> 00:02:09,599 pores through it and then they have to 63 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:11,190 wait they have to wait because it's a 64 00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:13,770 lipid water and oil don't mix 65 00:02:18,470 --> 00:02:16,470 this is water the pheromones are a 66 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:18,480 long-chain 14 carbon acetate and 67 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:19,710 therefore they're not going to diffuse 68 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:21,690 through it they have to wait for a 69 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:23,220 pheromone binding protein which is 70 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:25,590 pretty large in order to come along grab 71 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:27,570 it from the poor pull it in 72 00:02:32,990 --> 00:02:30,210 it will then ferry it across this until 73 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:33,000 early it will then make its way to a 74 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:37,980 receptor and somehow binding is meant to 75 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:39,450 occur whether it's with the pheromone 76 00:02:43,310 --> 00:02:41,010 directly or whether it's with the 77 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:43,320 pheromone binding protein complex with 78 00:02:47,660 --> 00:02:45,630 the pheromone and this is how detection 79 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:47,670 occurs you are now up to date and you 80 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:50,340 can now publish any information on 81 00:02:53,330 --> 00:02:52,350 insect olfaction because this is about 82 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:53,340 as far as we go 83 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:55,770 you can apply for an NIH grant NSF grant 84 00:03:01,090 --> 00:02:59,400 and you will get funded for this now 85 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:01,100 what is the overlying theme right here 86 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:04,110 diffusion diffusion diffusion 87 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:05,780 we've got diffusion through the air 88 00:03:10,430 --> 00:03:08,160 we've got diffusion through a wax layer 89 00:03:11,930 --> 00:03:10,440 and I've got now diffusion through this 90 00:03:13,790 --> 00:03:11,940 ancillary limb even though it has to 91 00:03:15,470 --> 00:03:13,800 piggyback on a pheromone binding protein 92 00:03:16,850 --> 00:03:15,480 well this makes my job a little bit 93 00:03:19,510 --> 00:03:16,860 easier right now because when you've got 94 00:03:21,890 --> 00:03:19,520 a mechanism as singular as diffusion 95 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:21,900 there are some laws that you can follow 96 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:23,370 and you think to yourself wow this is 97 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:25,110 diffusion I mean we can predict this 98 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:26,910 sure it's going to be faster through air 99 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:28,770 slower through the wax and a little bit 100 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:29,970 faster through the water though but 101 00:03:34,340 --> 00:03:31,890 there are some some generalizations that 102 00:03:36,410 --> 00:03:34,350 can be made and Informer talks I've let 103 00:03:38,870 --> 00:03:36,420 you know that diffusion does not account 104 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:38,880 for the ability for the pheromone to 105 00:03:43,220 --> 00:03:41,310 reach the receptor in time if parent if 106 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:43,230 the diffusion is all I have to work with 107 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:45,330 and I assure you that this is all I have 108 00:03:48,860 --> 00:03:47,490 to work with then according to the 109 00:03:51,650 --> 00:03:48,870 current theory I can't get to that 110 00:03:53,510 --> 00:03:51,660 pheromone to the dendrite in time in 111 00:03:55,010 --> 00:03:53,520 order to say that the insect is now 112 00:03:58,070 --> 00:03:55,020 detecting it how long does this take 113 00:03:59,510 --> 00:03:58,080 this takes one millisecond no it takes a 114 00:04:02,540 --> 00:03:59,520 little bit less than one millisecond 115 00:04:04,220 --> 00:04:02,550 point eight point seven milliseconds now 116 00:04:05,949 --> 00:04:04,230 to biologists some of you impressed 117 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:05,959 right now I think and Tom that's fast 118 00:04:10,820 --> 00:04:08,430 but to you physicists you're like that's 119 00:04:12,940 --> 00:04:10,830 casual you know one millisecond because 120 00:04:15,979 --> 00:04:12,950 you guys are dealing with nanoseconds 121 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:15,989 picoseconds maybe femtoseconds we're but 122 00:04:18,860 --> 00:04:17,430 the biology is and we're dealing with 123 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:18,870 less than one millisecond that is 124 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:22,250 lightning fast for a biological system 125 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:25,710 so what to do here is our cross section 126 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:26,970 I've blown it up a little bit so you can 127 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:27,610 take a closer 128 00:04:30,089 --> 00:04:28,870 to see what we're talking about the 129 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:30,099 pheromone the friend when I'm dealing 130 00:04:34,379 --> 00:04:32,409 with is about two nanometers long but 131 00:04:36,390 --> 00:04:34,389 the pores are between 10 and 50 132 00:04:37,890 --> 00:04:36,400 nanometers in diameter what's going to 133 00:04:39,779 --> 00:04:37,900 happen when the pheromone hits a 134 00:04:41,790 --> 00:04:39,789 scintilla it's going to clog the pores 135 00:04:43,559 --> 00:04:41,800 it's going to clog the pores because 136 00:04:44,939 --> 00:04:43,569 there's just not that much room and it's 137 00:04:47,550 --> 00:04:44,949 not just the pheromone that gets in 138 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:47,560 anything that the insect wants to smell 139 00:04:51,089 --> 00:04:49,120 is going to have to get through those 140 00:04:54,029 --> 00:04:51,099 pores and get to the dendrite anything 141 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:54,039 plant odorants pheromone you name it and 142 00:04:57,510 --> 00:04:55,870 so everything is going to get clogged 143 00:04:59,339 --> 00:04:57,520 because it's not going to diffuse it has 144 00:05:03,059 --> 00:04:59,349 to wait for a ferryboat in order to 145 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:03,069 carry it across problem also so the 146 00:05:06,209 --> 00:05:04,750 researchers looked for the proteins 147 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:06,219 because they got the funding for it 148 00:05:10,409 --> 00:05:08,770 research look for proteins directly on 149 00:05:12,330 --> 00:05:10,419 the dendrite well that makes sense I 150 00:05:13,740 --> 00:05:12,340 mean we do know that there's got to be 151 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:13,750 something there the dendrites are 152 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:16,210 detecting it somehow so you take a look 153 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:17,770 at the proteins and they found some of 154 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:19,900 course because there's always proteins 155 00:05:24,119 --> 00:05:22,300 on dendrites but they were not the 156 00:05:27,119 --> 00:05:24,129 putative receptors so they had to keep 157 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:27,129 looking the research then tuned to 158 00:05:30,179 --> 00:05:28,750 scanning the genetic codes again are oh 159 00:05:32,309 --> 00:05:30,189 you can't find them directly through 160 00:05:34,409 --> 00:05:32,319 direct means let's do this indirectly 161 00:05:36,689 --> 00:05:34,419 will scan the genetic code we're going 162 00:05:38,189 --> 00:05:36,699 to look for G proteins why why you're 163 00:05:40,379 --> 00:05:38,199 going to look for G proteins because we 164 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:40,389 know that G proteins are involved in 165 00:05:45,119 --> 00:05:43,180 human olfaction so for UMD's out there 166 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:45,129 old news for you for the rest of you 167 00:05:49,709 --> 00:05:47,650 this is new news so the G proteins are 168 00:05:52,980 --> 00:05:49,719 looked at lo and behold they find them 169 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:52,990 but they don't find them in great 170 00:05:57,510 --> 00:05:55,990 quantity mu new labeling comes in next 171 00:05:58,980 --> 00:05:57,520 yes they find them in the sense illa but 172 00:06:00,839 --> 00:05:58,990 the immuno labeling comes in and they 173 00:06:03,659 --> 00:06:00,849 show a very low concentration of these 174 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:03,669 putative receptors so the question is 175 00:06:10,469 --> 00:06:08,020 where are they and then the big one no 176 00:06:12,749 --> 00:06:10,479 receptor ligand binding has been 177 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:12,759 demonstrated to date so as I stand 178 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:13,680 before you 179 00:06:20,129 --> 00:06:16,089 there is no receptor ligand binding 180 00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:20,139 there is no receptor binding this has 181 00:06:25,769 --> 00:06:22,750 not been shown yet it is assumed this is 182 00:06:27,089 --> 00:06:25,779 also a problem why is this I mean as a 183 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:27,099 matter of fact this is a huge problem 184 00:06:31,829 --> 00:06:28,750 why can't you show binding in 185 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:31,839 pharmacology we know that molecules bind 186 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:33,669 to like siedel choline acetylcholine 187 00:06:39,659 --> 00:06:37,180 receptors this makes sense but this we 188 00:06:41,020 --> 00:06:39,669 haven't been able to show any binding so 189 00:06:42,610 --> 00:06:41,030 this thing kind of brings me to the 190 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:42,620 which I've talked about before but let 191 00:06:46,330 --> 00:06:44,330 me just review for you right now the 192 00:06:48,460 --> 00:06:46,340 current theory is about lock and key 193 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:48,470 it's about this binding that I told you 194 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:50,450 about the receptor and it's got the 195 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:52,760 pheromone the lock and key hypothesis 196 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:54,410 olfaction says we've got the receptor 197 00:06:58,630 --> 00:06:56,570 the pheromone comes along and it binds 198 00:07:01,090 --> 00:06:58,640 with it and this is what causes the 199 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:01,100 message to make it to the dendrite the 200 00:07:04,630 --> 00:07:02,780 vibrational theory of odor which some of 201 00:07:06,970 --> 00:07:04,640 you know I am a proponent of does not 202 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:06,980 say that it's a lock and key system it 203 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:09,050 can operate either by touching the 204 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:10,940 sencilla on the outside if it's acting 205 00:07:16,030 --> 00:07:13,970 as an antenna or it can simply come in 206 00:07:18,070 --> 00:07:16,040 close proximity very close proximity to 207 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:18,080 the antenna and the antenna or that 208 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:19,670 since Silla will be able to detect it 209 00:07:23,130 --> 00:07:21,620 that's the vibrational Theory voter I 210 00:07:25,750 --> 00:07:23,140 believe that insects are smelling 211 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:25,760 electromagnetically so let's take a look 212 00:07:30,010 --> 00:07:28,280 but if I'm putting this forward some of 213 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:30,020 you might be thinking I I don't follow 214 00:07:34,510 --> 00:07:32,360 this is new stuff Tom I need some help 215 00:07:36,250 --> 00:07:34,520 what's the mechanism I mean you've got a 216 00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:36,260 message on the outside of the sencilla 217 00:07:41,590 --> 00:07:39,020 and you got to get it to the inside 218 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:41,600 dendrite the electrophysiologist tell us 219 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:45,100 that the dendrite d polarizes a normal 220 00:07:51,370 --> 00:07:48,020 depolarization just like a normal neuron 221 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:51,380 and a normal neuronal spike passes down 222 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:53,240 the neuron to eventually reach the 223 00:07:58,090 --> 00:07:56,210 normal brain nothing new about this so 224 00:08:00,940 --> 00:07:58,100 because this is a normal spike we know 225 00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:00,950 that dendrite is somehow involved if the 226 00:08:05,380 --> 00:08:03,710 antenna was the detector the antenna was 227 00:08:07,660 --> 00:08:05,390 the detector this whole sencilla right 228 00:08:10,060 --> 00:08:07,670 here acting as an antenna then the 229 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:10,070 neurons which we do know are projecting 230 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:11,270 up would be unnecesarry 231 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:13,250 we wouldn't need them because the 232 00:08:17,260 --> 00:08:14,930 detection is done at the level of the 233 00:08:19,030 --> 00:08:17,270 antenna but we know that there's a 234 00:08:21,580 --> 00:08:19,040 message going down the neuron so if the 235 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:21,590 antenna is simply the primary detector 236 00:08:26,980 --> 00:08:24,890 but not the final detector then how does 237 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:26,990 a normal spike and it's very normal get 238 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:28,970 initiated in the nerve cell and this is 239 00:08:34,150 --> 00:08:31,690 what brings me to the proteins 240 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:34,160 ultimately sooner or later one must 241 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:35,720 consider that certain proteins on the 242 00:08:40,150 --> 00:08:37,460 dendrite are mediating this occurrence 243 00:08:42,970 --> 00:08:40,160 in some fashion but like the grinch but 244 00:08:44,380 --> 00:08:42,980 how and so because this is going on and 245 00:08:45,970 --> 00:08:44,390 I do believe that proteins are involved 246 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:45,980 but I don't believe it's lock and key we 247 00:08:49,390 --> 00:08:47,450 got to take a look at these proteins but 248 00:08:50,860 --> 00:08:49,400 my problem is that because I'm not 249 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:50,870 dealing with a lock and key I've got to 250 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:52,490 figure out how to get an electromagnetic 251 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:54,710 message in 252 00:08:59,410 --> 00:08:56,570 an electromagnetic message as it passes 253 00:09:02,200 --> 00:08:59,420 down the nerve now there is a little bit 254 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:02,210 of it's not just electromagnetic 255 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:04,010 electromagnetic there's going to have to 256 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:07,850 be some some interplay here and so this 257 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:09,050 kind of brings me to the point where I 258 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:11,270 think all right I need a protein and I 259 00:09:14,980 --> 00:09:12,890 need it to react to electromagnetic 260 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:14,990 energy I'll search the literature see 261 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:17,300 what I can find what do I find well the 262 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:18,830 first thing that pops up is probably the 263 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:20,870 most studies rhodopsin I'm looking at 264 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:22,240 you right now you're looking at me 265 00:09:27,490 --> 00:09:24,890 rhodopsin is firing it's a great system 266 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:27,500 what happens in rhodopsin which is a 267 00:09:33,220 --> 00:09:30,710 protein by the way incoming light hits 268 00:09:35,410 --> 00:09:33,230 the rhodopsin molecule there is a shift 269 00:09:37,330 --> 00:09:35,420 in electron density this shift and 270 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:37,340 electron density causes a conformational 271 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:39,770 change can't get much easier than that 272 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:43,490 it bends alright and so this is measured 273 00:09:46,780 --> 00:09:45,050 this is measured because the rhodopsin 274 00:09:48,790 --> 00:09:46,790 is that are in our eye it's attached to 275 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:48,800 the cell membrane cell membrane has some 276 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:50,600 great electromagnetic properties to it 277 00:09:58,150 --> 00:09:52,970 and it's detected and it's a beautiful